burns my *ss

I have read quite a few posts here about burning garbage. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not a tree hugger or any kinda actavist. I'm just a hard working, nature loving guy.............
with emphysema and mesothelioma. I use oxygen 24/7and I'm 54. If you folks had any idea whatsoever about the carcinogens and plain old poisons and contaminants you are spewing into the air and sending to your neighbors and worse yet, back to you own property for others to inherit. you may think twice. For crying out loud, pleaes pay the extra buck or two and landfill the stuff properly. It brings tears to my eyes when I read this type of post, and some of you actually think you are doing Mother Earth a favor by your actions. Think of the children, small and large that you are poisoning, and the wildlife. Think, please THINK.
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thanx

Not really the correct forum for this. You should have placed it into an actual thread where someone is talking about burning garbage.

You got me thinking ... how much smoke a day goes into the atmosphere from cigarette smokers?

Thanx Gator. There are so, so, so many mentions of burning garbage, it would be hard to find an appropriate thread. And I don't think too well when steam is coming from my ears. Besides, I thought 'feedback' would be appropriate. (not gettin' negative on ya now)
Asfar as second hand smoke, the original study was done at MIT (I think) and has been duplicated world wide. The experiment was to run a deisel semi tractor in a sealed garage for 30 minutes and then the level of carcinogens was measured. The garage air was refreshed and 2 cigarettes were maintained in a smoldering state for 30 minutes. (smoldering is the key word)(obviously several sets of cigs were used) the carcinogen level was 300% higher from the smokes, and it was only 2 smokes.

My spelling s*cks and the info may need to be tweaked a smidgeon, but you get the drift. BTW- a ton of other useful info was gained when I attended pulmonary rehab classes (learn how to breathe)
Thanx again
Steve

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I did a search on Garbage AND Burning and found only 3 outside this thread. I hope you don't consider burning brush/wood as garbage.

In some rural areas there is little or no opportunity to subscribe to garbage/trash collection. It is unfortunate but true. I just got trash pickup a few months ago.

If it is all natural garbage I still think composting is beter than puting it in the landfill (too much volume going into landfills.) If it doesn't compost (or burn) it can probably recycle (in civilization, not in many rural areas.) Some folks have little or no alternative to burning much of their trash. Luckily I now do.

A better place for the anit-trash burning message might be lobbying appropriate levels of Government to move in the direction of requiring universal access to trash pickup followed by a tightening of burn regulations with an eye to finally outlawing the burning of manufactured items. This would not interfere with burning brush, leaves, or controlled burns of agricultural fields.

Even in Oklahoma, we now have laws mandating a smoke free environment in public eating places. My understanding is that bars and resturants have no option, smoking areas no longer coexist with non-smoking sections. There is zero tollerance. Similar laws protect visitors to Government buildings.

Oh GREAT... now I have the air polution smoking type protest song from the American love rock tribal musical "HAIR" running through my head over and over and over...

Breath deep while you sleep, breath deep, deep, cough cough cough...

Midlife, be glad you aren't in our area. Several nights I have opened the windows to cool the house off and my wife has closed the windows because she smells smoke. It is all the fires in this whole area. Amarillo Texas fires sent smoke to Oklahoma to add to our home made smoke. We have been in a lengthy total burn ban but still there are cheaters who burn trash on the sly because it just keeps piling up on them.

Pat

re: (cigarrette) smoke free zones). Washington just passed what is probably the strictest 'no smoking' law in the nation. Absolutely no smoking in public places with no exceptions. Separate rooms with their own air intake/exhaust aren't allowed. No smoking outside within 25 ft of a window, door, or air intake.

That last one, in many places, effectively bans smoking at all as the only place that would comply would be the centerline of the street.

Some bars are setting up outside shelters for smokers, some are ignoring the law except for paying the fines. Their increased business covers that. Of course the state is talking about taking them to court over it.

I am glad that I gave up smoking years ago.

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Some bars are setting up outside shelters for smokers, some are ignoring the law except for paying the fines. Their increased business covers that. Of course the state is talking about taking them to court over it.

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There should have been a steeply escolating fine structure for repeat offenders built into the law as what is happening is easily predicted. At some point the responsible party or parties should be termed a gross scofflaw and the penalties should include jail time. You can bet that few bar owners feel strongly enough about providing shelter for public smoking to risk serious jail time or even LARGE fines (Where LARGE is defined as whatever it takes to work.)

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Well I tried not to answer this but it just grated on me. All of us do not live in Minosota. I live in south east Arizona. It is probaly desolate compared to you. There is no trash or garbge pick up. It would probaly cost me $100 to have one pick up. The closest land fill is maybe 40 miles away. However there are two Mexican land fills less than 20 miles away. In Mexico. I have no idea how much it would cost me or the hassle of trying to dump garbage in Mexico and do not want to try it. I welcome you to try it. Perhaps you should try taking your garbage to Canada. Any way both of those dumps have been burning garbage for at least 20 years non stop. Plus there are several wild fires burning in this part of the state along with some controlled burns. My pididly amount of garbge that I burn is like me peaing in the Pacific ocean. My closest neighbor is more than a mile away and it is 13 miles of dirt road to the closest town. Sorry sir/ms stick it.

Seems I recall reading an item where in Canada sending garbage to Minnesota to landfill was being looked at.

In Nova Scotia all garbage is picked up on a weekly basis.

One week it is real garbage and compostable materials that have been placed in a special green bin.

The next week two more groups of materials are picked. Paper materials in one bag and plastics/metals in another bag.

Twice per year we have a pickup for large items.

All these pickups extend to the rural areas.

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Michigan gets all of Toronto's trash exported into our state where it is landfilled. This has been a great cause for dismay for Michiganders, yet the Federal Government says we cannot block this due to "Free-Trade" agreements.

DocHebb:

Again my memory fails. I confused Michigan with Minnesota.

From what I can recall [ subject to memory?? ] Michigan was in the process of trying to stop this importation of garbage.

Egon

An up date on Michigan's garbage importation problem.

web page

Egon

I guess my apologies go out to all. When I joined this site, I thought "a friendly place for folks to talk about living in the country" meant just that. And it is totally beyond me why I would even consider bringing my garbage to Canada, much less Mexico of all places. My intention was to maybe open a few eyes to the potential harm they are doing to themselves and future generations. I have no problem with the burning of brush piles and the like (although there are altenatives.) (and when was the last time someone burned a brush pile that was 100% organic brush and nothing else added.) Almost everything man made take on a different chemical composition when alterred from it's original state (burned) and so many people have no idea what they are putting into our air, soil, and water. Some of these accumulative poisons can exist for 10,000 years or more. I value my life and my kids and grand kids far too much to intentionally poison them when I have a viable alternative. I always thought us 'up north, back woods' people where a little behind the times for some things, but we haven't landfilled or burned our garbage for many, many years. It gets sorted and incinerated at a local facility. (they do the sorting.) This facility follows strict EPA guidelines and even produces safe, usuable bi-products. After composting and recycling, I'm left with little garbage. Before pick up service, I used to haul my trash every few weeks or so to the transfer station, and I had an opportunity to view the wild flowers, smell the clean country air, see a deer or two, or rabbits, or birds or whatever else makes up life. I would also do some shopping or visiting that I normally wouldn't do, because of the distance. A while back, I learned to tell the difference between opportunity and obligation, and life has been good from that day on. Please don't diss me because I want a better place to live. I want to do something that my wife and kids can be proud of after I'm gone.
I might read, but I probably won't post.
Have a good day

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I'd say you were treated very mildly, after calling people you know little to nothing about thoughtless child-poisoners.

What a case of the blind men and the elephant. Each of us sees a small part of the picture and thinks others must be blind to have a different viewpoint.

I don't think anyone here is PRO polution but some of us are underinformed about the other guy's reality.

When I was in San Diego we had pickup for regular trash plus three different color coded recycle bins plus another trash can for GREEN waste like lawn cuttings and flower trimming and bush pruning. Heaven help you if yoiu made a mistake. They were serious. You were not permitted to throw away CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. If you had some wood scraps and shingles from a repair, it had to find its way to the sanitary land fill by other means than trash pickup. When I demoed and replaced my sidewalk, I hauled off about 24,000 lbs of broken concrete to the sanitary land fill and payed them to take it.

Oklahoma is working its way slowly toward the 21st century. There is atill a lot of rural areas underserved in trash disposal which causes a lot of rural folks to doze a large hole and put cans and bottles in it. Burnable trash is burned. Biodegradable stuff is often just tossed out. Not the best situation but if there is no trash service in an area what are the alternatives? I have trash pickup now.

Oh by the way... Fire is natures way. Man comes along and thinks all fire is BAD so fuel builds up untill a conflagration of biblical proportions equalizes the situation. Controlled burns of agricultural land CAN BE a good thing. Burning can be good for pasture and reduces the need for dangerous chemicals which can also be a good thing.

I can't say just what NON-BRUSH items there are that are sneaking into someones brush piles but mine are composed of two things, 1. brush, 2. critters who take up residence or hide in the brush piles. For the critters sake I don't burn all of my brush piles.

This planet is not a DISNEY THEME PARK. There are unresolved and likely unresolvable conflicts. Who likes, dislikes, condones, or dissaproves of a specific avctivity is often a matter of whose ox is being gored.

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Garbage and what is it?

It could be alleged that in some locations around the world what we consider garbage would be looked at as a mine of highly usable items.

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Good point Egon, and I'll give a concrete example: a friend and former co-worker (we both worked for an American company that had overseas operations) was working on assignment on the Ivory Coast of Africa. Locals were fighting each other with knives and improvised weapons to be first in line to pick through his garbage. He quit because he couldn't reconcile that with his conscience.

1*I use oxygen 24/7and I'm 54
2*I attended pulmonary rehab classes (learn how to breathe)
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When I demolished and replaced my sidewalk, I hauled off about 24,000 lbs of broken concrete to the sanitary land fill and paid them to take it.
Pat
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When I tore out an old side walk I pushed the concrete down by the road and put a free sign on it.
Didn't cost me a cent to get rid of it.

lbrown59, Good solution, for you obviously, but not workable where I was. It would be illegal there to put something curbside more than x hours ahead of trash pickup or that wouldn't be picked up. IF you did put something, anything, curbside and the trash guys came, they would put a rejection notice on it if it wasn't gift wrapped, scented, and had $5 taped to it. Once in a while you could put something out that was too big or not bundled to specs and set a 6 pack on top of it and it would likely go away.

Where I am now I have knocked out a guys old foundation and sidewalks and hauled the debris just to get the debris. Of course it doesn't hurt to do a little extra for someone once in a while. You just never know when or how it might come back to you. I have helped folks that I thought I'd never see again and then even a year later get helped out of a jam by the same person that I hadn't seen for a year.

Have you heard the urban myth about gift wrapping garbage and leaving it by the elevator in a NY appartment bld during a garbage strike to have it stolen in minutes to never be seen again?

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DUMBDOG, No no no my friend, it would likely be much worse...

Homeless person or escaped fellon carjacks a vehicle and kidnaps the young mother and her todlers who are occupants while they were waiting for the hubby to come back out of the pharmacy. Then during the ensuing police chase the BOZO loses control and hits the debris and is killed. The mom and kids are OK because they were still in their seatbelts and kiddie carriers but the bad guy is ejected and run over when the vehicle rolls over the debris.

The landowner is sued by the Civil Liberties Union acting pro-bono for the estate of the BOZO and wins placing the homeowner in bankruptcy. At press time various legal entities were still manuvering for position as regards how to proceed with any case to be made for or against the owner(s) of the vehicle vs the land owner and the estate of the BOZO.

Wide spread protests are scheduled by various undocumented imigrant's rights groups and Jesse Jackson vows that this will not be made a mockery of and the little guy will no longer tollerate such injustice. Mr. Jackson was unavailable for taking questions probing for clarificatiion of his earlier remarks.

Barbara Boxer and Ted Kenedy hold a press conference to decry the deleterious effects on the moral fabric of the United States due to the proliferation of assault weapons.

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