ALTERNATIVE BUILDINGS PROS AND CONS

I THOUGHT THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD MIGHT LIKE TO VIEW ONE OF MY BOARDS.I HAVE A LIST OF PROS AND CONS FOR A LOT OF THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS.I`M SURPRISED I DON`T SEE A LOT OF INFO HERE ON THESE SYSTEMS.HERE IS THE LINK.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alternative_building

NOTE THAT THIS BOARD ISN`T OPEN TO MEMBERS OTHER THAN EXPERTS IN THE VARIOUS FIELDS.ALSO NOTE THAT UNDER THE LINKS THERE ARE SEVERAL LINKS TO INSTRUCTIONS IN BUILDING THESE SYSTEMS[EITHER ONLINE EBOOKS OR OTHER INSTRUCTIONAL INFO]

CORDWOODGUY

PS:I USE UPPERCASE LETTERS DUE TO A VISUAL DISABILITY.SORRY!

I have often wondered where the Experts got their knowledge fom! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Cause if one followed the Expert path back surely you should arrive at a person who has no teacher! [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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OK, so obviously you consider yourself an expert, but how do you decide who else might have an opinion worth hearing?

BIRD.......THE ALTERNATIVE_BUILDING PAGE IS OPEN TO EVERYONE TO READ.BUT I ONLY WANT PEOPLE RECOGNIZED IN THEIR FIELD TO POST.
I`VE NEVER CALLED MYSELF AN EXPERT,RATHER I REFER TO MYSELF AS A LIFE TIME STUDENT OF CORDWOOD ON A CONTINUOUS LEARNING CURVE.[EVEN THOUGH I`VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH LOG BUILDING AND CORDWOOD FOR OVER 44 YEARS.I ALSO MODERATE THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE ON THE NET.WAS LICENSED TO TEACH IT ETC.]I`M KIND OF A WHISTLEBLOWER IN THE CORDWOOD CIRCLES THATS WHY I`M ANONYMOUS.I`VE REVIEWED ALL THE BOOKS OF THE SO CALLED "EXPERTS " AND POINT OUT THEIR FLAWS/MISTAKES/MISINFORMATION
AND EXPAND ON THINGS THEY NEVER HEARD OF.
I`VE INVITED SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT I WISHED WOULD POST ON THAT BOARD.
[1]BECKY BEE A COB EXPERT OF NOTE[SHE DROPS BYE OCCASSIONALY]
[2]DUCKCHOW AKA MARK ....EDITER ON A STRAWBALE FORUM/NEWSLETTER.[NO REPLY,BUT HE IS A MEMBER OF MY CORDWOOD BOARD.]
[3]MIKE REYNOLDS...EARTHSHIPS[NO REPLY]

THE REASON MY BOARD IS MODERATED IS THAT MINE IS A TEACHING BOARD.BOARDS THAT AREN`T MODERATED ARE KAOTIC AND HAVE IDIOTIC POSTS.[IE:
I WAS ON ANOTHER BOARD AND GAVE TOXIC WARNINGS
ABOUT PCB`S,CREOSOTE,CCA`S.ALL KNOWN CARCENOGENS,YET A GUY THAT OWNS A VERY LARGE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SITE.CHALLENGED MY POST AND BACKED UP THE PCB`S,CREOSOTE AND CCA`S USE IN HOUSING.DAH! YET SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM AN EXPERT...I THINK,RATHER I KNOW HE HAS TO BE AN IDIOT FOR THAT STAND.THIS SAME GUY AFTER READING A MAGAZINE ARTICLE ON CORDWOOD SLANDERED/FLAMED ME ALL OVER THE NET SAYING MY POSTS ON CORDWOOD WERE REDICULOUS,COMICAL ETC.THINK ABOUT IT 44 YEARS VS 1 HOUR!

CORDWOODGUY

PS:BIRD......PEOPLE CAN ADD PROS AND CONS THROUGH ME,I RESEARCH THEIR COMMENTS TO VERIFY THEM.

EGON.........REMEMBER NOW I`M ONLY A LIFETIME STUDENT OF CORDWOOD ON A CONTINUOUS LEARNING CURVE.BUT I CAN TRACE MY TRAINING,PRINCIPLES,PRACTICES AND METHODS BACK TO ITS FIRST WRITEN RECORD 10 BC.THERE ARE LOG CABINS THAT ARE DATED BACK TO 13,000-18,000 YEARS OLD.THE SYSTEMS WERE HANDED DOWN FROM FATHER TO SON.THE SAME TRADITIONAL METHODS ARE STILL IN USE.NOW IF THATS NOT TRIED AND TRUE WHAT IS?
THE GUY I`M QUOTING ABOVE WROTE A BOOK ON ARCHITECTURE[HIS NAME ESCAPES ME NOW...VITRAVIOUS???] HE USED DRIED BLOOD TO MAKE AIR ENTRAINED CONCRETE BACK THEN.A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL METHODS HAVE BEEN JUST UP DATED WITH NEWER PRODUCTS.IE:FIBRE MESH AN ADDITIVE TO CONCRETE AND MORTAR REPLACES HOGS BRISTLES/HORSE HAIR/HUMAN HAIR ETC.
MY METHODS ARE IN USE BY LOGGERS, PROFESSIONAL LOG BUILDERS,LUMBER MILLS AND SUPPORTED BY FOREST RESEARCH SCIENTISTS.THE PEOPLE I CALL EXPERTS.
THE SO CALLED CORDWOOD EXPERTS....BUILD ON THE GROUND,DON`T TREAT THEIR WOOD,DON`T FELL IT OR SEASON IT PROPERLY,INSULATE IT INCORRECTLY,ATTACH THE ROOF DANGEROUSLY ETC.IF I FOLLOWED THEIR ADVICE AND PROMOTED THEIR METHOD I THINK MY TITLE SHOULD BE "IDIOT" NOT EXPERT.EVEN THE WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT ON CORDWOOD IS FULL OF MISTAKES AND MYTHS.I`M WRITING A CORDWOOD PAGE ON APPROPEDIA NOW SINCE WIKIPEDIA WILL NOT RETRACT THINGS ON THEIR SITE ABOUT 1,000 YEAR OLD CORDWOOD STRUCTURES THAT DON`T EXIST.


CORDWOODGUY

Yeh?? But who taught the first fellow?? [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Cause if it takes an expert the first fellow must also be an expert must he not? [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Heck, most off us are quite familiar with cow dung, lime, straw, willow wattle and a little clay. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] And maybe add some cows milk for the finishing toouches. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Check a little farther and and you may find the building technicques of the inhabitants living in the grip of a Siberian winter may be a little different than the scribed log hut. Seems they may have need all the warmth they could get without cold air leaks!

Then we should also have to ask when is a log a log?? [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Now if the first fellow is an expert why can't I be an expert?? [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Now what is cordwood??

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Egon, do you reckon we're being kidded by a troll named CORDWOODGUY? [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

First he tells everyone how to build a log cabin and where their "opinions" are wrong, stating his own opinions as "fact".

He tells us the log cabin home builders association won't allow him to post because he's a proponent of the cadillac of log cabin building systems. How many professional associations do you know of which won't allow someone to post because they know more than the members of association?

He admits knowing that using all caps to post is inconsiderate, but claims to have a valid reason.

Next he tells us his discussion board isn't open to other than "experts", and he apparently defines "experts" as those "recognized" in their field.

Then he refers to someone who disagreed with him as being an "idiot".

He says others can add pros and cons through him, after he verifies their information. In other words, only if you don't disagree with him?

He says he doesn't call himself an expert, but a life time student. And again he says if he followed the advice of the "so called cordwood experts" his title should be "idiot".

So he says he's not an expert but knows more than they do.

Then he says utility companies give away the poles and make you sign a waiver because of their toxicity. That may be in some places, but in our area, you have to pay for the poles and there's no waiver. The utility company just wanted their money for the poles. And they are quite commonly used for barns.

And while he only allows the opinions of people recognized in their fields, he says he remains anonymous, reviewed all the books of the experts and points out their flaws/mistakes/misinformation. How many people put any stock in anything an "anonymous" person says.

I think we all know that most "know-it-alls" turn out to know a lot less than they thought they did. And those who really do know a lot don't have to hide their identity and/or fear others' opinions.

So I think CORDWOODGUY is simply pulling our leg and playing a joke on us. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

That could easily be Bird. Me, it's not to hard to "pull the wool" over my myopic eyes! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

He even purports to being a Cape Bretoner! [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

This one is new to me!
Re: cob con
14]WALLS CAN CRACK IF SUB-STANDARD FOUNDATION USED.
There are other statements too... , but what I find most interesting is only one person has posted on that message board since it's apparent inception on may 29, 2006. Is this right or am I missing something?

People who think they know everything
really irritate those of who actually do!

I have a stack of earth sheltered home books much higher than any library I have ever visited, so am I an expert on earth sheltered architecture?

I have read widely in Cordwood and other "alternative" construction methods ranging from cement wetted burlap bags draped paper mache style over bent sticks or pile of dirt or sand to rebar lined inflated air forms covered with shotcrete. Does that qualify me as an alternative building expert?

None of the above qualify me as an expert!

If I could just figure out how to be an expert by means other than self proclamation and arrogance...

Pat [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Heck, I have no qualms about calling myself an Expert; on being ignorant that is! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon, everyone is ignorant, just often on different topics. No one is expert on everything.

I am certainly ignorant on many topics. Being ignorant on some topics is the normal state of affairs and it is not a bad thing. Ignorance can be cured with training, education, and or experience. Stupidity, however, is incurable. Luckily we aren't stupid.

Pat

EGON.......THE TRICK THAT PEOPLE DID BACK IN PIONEER DAYS WAS TO BOIL A FEW POTS OF WATER IN THE WINTER.THE STEAM WOULD SEEP OUT THROUGH THE CRACKS THEY DIDN`T STUFF WITH MOSS.AFTER AWHILE IT WOULD ICE UP AND FILL THE AIR LEAK.THEN IN THE SPRING IT WOULD MELT OPEN.BUT IT KEPT THE HOUSE AIR TIGHT AND WARMER THROUGH THE WINTER.BUT I`M SURE THEY DIDN`T TRY TO OVERHEAT EITHER.

CORDWOODGUY

Would that not happen naturally? Isn't that why tents are vented so they don't ice up in the wintertime?

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

EGON..........THE LOG HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION ISN`T REALLY AN ASSOCIATION ITS A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED OUT OF ONE SCHOOL TEACHING ONE METHOD THAT THEY TRY TO PROMOTE.KIND OF LIKE YOU AFTER TAKING
2 MARTIAL ARTS LESSONS SETTING UP EGON-RYU THEN PROCLAIMING YOURSELF A 10TH DEGREE.NO SUBSTANCE TO IT AT ALL.
THIS GROUP JUST DIDN`T WANT ME TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT CORDWOOD OR EXPLAINING THE INTRACACIES OF SCANDINAVIAN SCRIBE FIT.I BELIEVE I WAS BUMPED FOR REPLYING TO A CORDWOOD QUESTION.THE FACT THEY DIDN`T WANT TO REFER THE PERSON TO CORDWOOD SITES WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO PROMOTE THEIR SYSTEM.
ALTHOUGH THE INTERNATIONAL LOG BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IN BC...IS THE REAL THING AND I CAN BE A MEMBER AND I PRACTICE THEIR METHODS WHICH ARE
IMPECABLE.MOST OF THEIR MEMBERS WOULD BE SCRIBE FIT
PRACTICIONERS.I POST ON THEIR SITE QUITE FREEQUENTLY. BYE THE WAY THEY HAVE EVEN ASKED ME WHERE I GOT SOME OF MY INFO TO BEEF UP THEIR PROMOTIONAL LITERATURE.
I DID NOT REFER TO ANYONE AS AN IDIOT...BUT SOMEONE IS COMING TO MIND RIGHT NOW. I SAID IF I TOLD PEOPLE TO BUILD WITH LOGS ON THE GROUND,NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE COULD CALL ME AN IDIOT.
BYE THE WAY THOSE CORDWOOD EXPERTS HAVE SAID MOST OF WHAT I SAY IS TRUE.BUT WILL NOT MENTION WHAT THEY SAY THEY DISAGREE AND WILL NOT OPENLY DEBATE ME.ONE TRIED AND I KICKED HIS A**,EVEN THROUGH HIS LOCAL HOME BUILDING ASSOCIATION.WHEN HE TRIED TO IMPLY IT WAS A CANDIAN THING.
BIRD....TAKE THE HINT APPARENTLY YOU DIDN`1T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME AND LOOK INTO WHAT I SAY ABOUT UTILITY POLES.IF YOU CAN`T BURN THEM LEGALLY.TAKE THEM TO A LAND FILL OR BURY THEM.HAVING A POWER POLE IN YARD WITH A CHILD,PUT THE CHILD AT RISK OF GETTING CANCER 200 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN IF NO POLE.THE FACT THAT SOME ASK YOU TO SIGN A WAIVER IS A RED LIGHT.UTILITY COMPANIES UP GRADE THE TOXIC TREATMENTS OCCASSIONALLY.BYE THE WAY YOU CAN GET ALL THE TOXIC LAND AROUND SYDNEY TAR PONDS FOR FREE.BUT DON`T USE THE SLUDGE FOR ATHRITIS AS ITS PCB`S.[PEOPLE IN THE AREA DID THIS FOR YEARS.]
BIRD......" HE NEXT TELLS US HIS DISCUSSION BOARD ISN`T OPEN TO ANYONE OTHER THAN EXPERTS AND HE DEFINES EXPERTS AS THOSE RECOGNIZED IN THEIR FIELD."
MY REPLY...IS WHATS YOUR POINT! SOUNDS GOOD TO EVERYONE ELSE.YOU APPARENTLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RECOGNIZED EXPERTS!!!
HE SAID IF PEOPLE DON`T AGREE WITH ME THEY ARE IDIOTS.I DIDN`T SAY THAT ,BUT I SAID IF I WAS TO TELL PEOPLE TO BUILD A LOG STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE WOULD CALL ME AN IDIOT AS THEY ARE IDIOTIC THINGS TO DO AND THIS IS FOUND IN THEIR BOOKS.
BIRD.... "HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT STOCK INTO ANYTHING AN ANONYMOUS PERSON SAYS." WELL GOSH BE GOLLY BIG BIRD AREN`T YOU ANONYMOUS..LOL!I THINK YOUR 1559 POSTS SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO THEN.HERE I`LL GIVE CORDWOODGUY A NAME JOHN MACINTYRE DOES THAT MAKE IT OK?...LOL!BUT I`M THE MODERATOR/OWNER OF THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE ON THE NET.MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT MY COMPETITION.ONE JUST FINISHED HIS HOUSE BUT HAS BEEN GIVING ADVICE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.THE OTHER ONE HASN`T BUILT ONE YET...LOL!
WELL MY FRIEND BEING ANONYMOUS HELPS ME BE MORE HONEST IN MY OPINIONS.PERHAPS MORE CAUSTIC AT TIMES BUT THOUSAND YEAR OLD PROVEN METHODS AND SCIENTIFIC DATA CAN EVEN MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.AT LEAST TWO OF MY PEERS KNOW ME AND I DON`T WANT THEM TO KNOW WHO I AM.WHISLEBLOWERS DO PEOPLE A FAVOR...UNTIL I STARTED POSTING YOU COULDN`T FIND ANY FLAWS WITH CORDWOOD.I MENTIONED THE AIR/WATER PENETRATION OF THE WALLS.THE ROT FOUND IN MANY CORDWOOD HOMES BUILT BY THE BOOKS.THE LACK OF R-VALUE IN SOME OF THE EARLY HOMES.THAT NO 1,000 YEAR OLD CORDWOOD STRUCTURES EXIST AS FOUND IN THE BOOKS.



CORDWOODGUY

TROYBILT...IF ITS NEW TO YOU THAT COB WALLS CAN CRACK IF THEY HAVE A SUBSTANDARD FOUNDATION...THEN BACK TO SCHOOL FOR YOU!
NORMALLY A COB WALL IS 24"-36" WIDE.[ANYLESS NO R-VALUE] PLACING A WALL THAT CAN WEIGH OVER A TON PER LINEAL FOOT WITHOUT COUNTING ROOF AND SNOW LOADS.THIS MY FRIEND WOULD CRUSH A CONVENTIONAL STEM WALL /SLAB WITH OUT UPGRADING IT
VERY SERIOUSLY.ITS COMMON SENSE!A NO BRAINER!
BYE THE WAY MOST ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS LEAVE OUT THE CON`S OF THEIR SYSTEM AS IT HURTS BOOK SALES ETC.WELL YOU CHECKED MY BOARD BUT YOU MISSED BECKY BEE OF COB FAME.SHE REPLIES ME THROUGH E-MAILS BUT SHE COULD POST HERSELF AS SHE IS A MEMBER.I APPRECIATE HER COMING ABOARD.SHE DIDN`T HAVE A PROBLEM ABOUT THE COB WALL CON YOU SPOKE OF.

CORDWOODGUY

PS:HERE IS A BOOK BY DANIEL D. CHIRAS THAT LISTS THE PROS AND CONS OF ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS.


"THE NATURAL HOUSE:GUIDE TO HEALTH ,ENERGY, EFFICIENT,ENVIRONMENTAL HOMES.

I HATE TO GIVE A REFERENCE ON THIS BOARD . SEEING AS THIS IS ONE PERSON WRITING A BOOK ON ALL THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH HE ONCE BUILT A LOG HOUSE.CHRIST I CAN`T EVEN SPEAK ABOUT WHAT I`VE TRAINED/STUDIED AND TAUGHT FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

PAT.....IF IT CAME TO SELF PROCLAMATION AND AROGANCE I THINK YU-DA-MAN.


YOU JUST **** ON A GUY WITH 44 YEARS OF ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.THE ONLY GUY IN THE WORLD TO ACTUALLY HOLD A PROVINCIAL TEACHING LICENSE FOR CORDWOOD AND OPERATED A PRIVATE TRADE SCHOOL IN THE 70`S.PLUS I`M THE OWNER MODERATOR OF THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE.I`M ALSO A CONSTRUCTION SITE PROJECT MANAGER.I`D SAY I SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOICE AN OPINION ON CORDWOOD AND LOG BUILDING.
GEE PAT CAN YOU TELL ME AND ALL THE MEMBERS HERE ABOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS!


CORDWOODGUY

I`LL TAKE THIS TIME NOW TO BID FAREWELL TO THIS BOARD AND LET THE RESIDENT EXPERTS TAKE BACK THE HELM...LOL! NOW HOW DO I DELETE MY MEMBERSHIP!

CORDWOODGUY

Fellers, I still say he's a troll pulling our leg. I think I've met some of the most egotistical people in the world, but ain't NO HUMAN as egotistical in real life as this guy. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] Once again it's one of those situations in which we wish we were just half as smart as he thinks he is. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Sorry, Cordy ,If I pushed your hot button but seriously, I reread my post and compared it to the tone set by Bird and Egon prior to my post and can only conclude you are mistaken in a major manner and could profit from rereading my post in its exact wording as well as the manner it is phrased. (Hint, be alert for humor, albeit sarcastic humor.)

I clearly claimed to NOT BE AN EXPERT! I essentially agree with posts made previously to mine which were not particularly flattering to the cause you champion but I will stay the course and am happy to let my comment stand as written as if it were the first comment.

If we can't agree to disagree in a slightly more civil manner, lets just not start a fire and try to put it out with gasoline. If the only allowable comments must agree with you or risk harsh condemnation then there will be no further posting on this thread by me until or unless you feel the need to continue fussing with me. I have nothing to prove to you for any reason, no stake whatsoever in cordwood or other fringe building methods, and plenty of other things to do that are so much more pleasant.

Oh, and I especially like being misquoted in your rush to judgment.

I especially like having someone strafe everyone else for not kowtowing to their every whim. Chill, dude. Gee, yet another case of the entire army being out of step, EXCEPT CORDY!!!

Yes we are such ingrates here and hopefully will be beneath your dignity and such a waste of your time that you will not cast your pearls before us but take your act somewhere where it can be appreciated for its true intrinsic value, wherever that might possibly be.

Pat

Bird; goggle Coordwood Guy and you will find him. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Gee thanks, Egon. I read some of the BS available at some of the google hits on cordwoodguy. Stuff like Wikipedia explaining to him why his edits and comments were removed from the cordwood entry on Wikipedia as inappropriate. He just has so much to offer everywhere, a true legend in his own mind.

There seems to be a common thread in his oft repeated mantra.

I am right, everyone else sucks, I am right, everyone else sucks, etc.

Gee aren't we lucky to have had the opportunity to have had his fleeting attention as he scans the world for new opportunities to spread the gospel according to Cordy. Years from now we will be quoting chapter and verse from the book of Cordy and fondly remembering how he could brighten up the entire CBN site by just leaving it.

Maybe just for entertainment value and to return the favor we should join some of the boards of his or where he posts and snipe at him more than just a little.

Nah, I'd rather watch paint dry than read his drivel.

Pat

Well I don't think I have ever seen more than 10 or so log houses. Kinda fall apart out here in the dry desert. But i do remember when I was 10 or so seeing what I remember to be Daniel Boone's original log cabin some place in Ky or Tn.
Sooooo based on that I now proclaim myself to be an expert on log houses.

Well, we could build a cordwood house in Arizona. The drafts shouldn't affect one much there but probably the air conditioning load would be up a tad.
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Back in my workindays there was a saying " 10 years experience 6 months at a time" [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Wait a minute! What the hecks the difference between a cordwood and logs. Heck does a bunch of mesquite sticks stacked up with mud on em (adobe) classify as cordwood? Cuase I kinda thought cordwood was something you but in the potbelly stove.

Cordwood is a way of building a leaky house. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Back in my workindays there was a saying " 10 years experience 6 months at a time"

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Yep, I learned long ago that there's a difference between 10 years experience and one years experience 10 times. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Expert? Maybe, maybe not. Did you stay in a Holiday Inn?

Do you write in all caps because it keeps emphasizing your need for special consideration when just about anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature can make the type big on their computer and not have to post in all caps all the time?

Funny conflict, huh? Smartest guy in the entire universe on every topic in the universe EXCEPT how to enlarge his display font. Very curious. I'm sure it couldn't possibly be to draw attention to his special circumstances which he has to bravely overcome on a continual basis.

Pat

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Cordwood is a way of building a leaky house.



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Hey mine leaks and it ain't even cordwood.

Hey Pat I'm pretty sure it has to be a Holiday Inn Express to make you an expert.