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    Re: OK!!!! That DOES IT!!!

    Egon, Google on distance learning. There is a wealth of disparate distance learning situations ranging from simple to complex. You can earn accredited degrees via distance learning via the web. The web is a very powerful force for training and education. Distance learning was one of my topics of interest during my last stint in grad school ( Instructional Technology San Diego State Univeresity 1994) and in my job for the last several years prior to retirement. It was one of the things I pushed for prior to my retirement. I tried to sell it to varying levels of Navy and DoD. You have to have an educated and interested sales prospect because of the way technology is integrated into the process.

    I set the stage for distance learning to be used in several Navy situations (I worked in a DoD lab under Navy control. We had a civilian technical director but a Navy Captain as Commanding Officer.)

    Everything you have mentioned from one on one mentoring to group classes via networked computers (local net or WWW) has been done. You said. "There just have to be some such systems already in operation. " You have made a very correct assumption and if you Googled on distance learning and or distance education or whatever you would see a wealth of different applicatioins of distance learning.

    In the Navy (and othere situations) it is costly to send someone to a school. Maybe you lose his service onboard a ship which can be a bad thing plus the cost of flying him to the school, putting him up, and on and on. Schedulling can be a nightmare. If a course can be taken via a computer, either canned or live interactive from the ship via internet satellite connectivity, you save all lthe costs of logistics that ensue from the physical dislocation plus your guy is still on board to consult with anyone about his specialty and if the ballon goes up, he is there to man his watch station.

    One of my early Navy jobs was with the Fleet Combat Training Center, Pacific. I designed and help program a courseware authoring system for Navy instructors to use to design and author training materials to be presented by computer onboard ship. THis was for certain warfighting systems operated by folks called OS (Operational Specialists who direct air ops and get to help shoot things down with other weapons on board) Anyway different versions had to be supplied to every platform (ship) which is a configuratioin control challenge and extra work. If the courseware was hosted on a website and accessed from anywhere in the world via the net it woud have simplified the process a big bunch but one of the Navy mottos is "over two hundred years of tradition, unencumbered by progress." This sort of training started prior to good internet connectivity and continued in this fashion due to inertia as much as anything else.

    The traditioin/progress comment is supposed to be funny but sometimes wasn't.

    Did you see the movie, "Blast From the Past?" Your comments like "Perhaps the University of the future." and questions regarding distance learning remind me of the main character.

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    Re: OK!!!! That DOES IT!!!

    Hey, now. This looks like good, solid information. What happened to my contest?

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    I too have been amazed at that posting volume of Pat. I've often wondered if "Pat" were actually an AI somewhere on the net that has taken an interest in country life. Perhaps we should adminster a 'turing' test.

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    Dearest CJDave - I believe you might be in need of a new hobby as well. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] When I last posted a question to CBN, I addressed it to Pat and Egon. Just regret that I left out Gary LOL! If I post a question in the future, would you like me to address it to you as well? Don't want to leave anyone out! [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] Chris

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    [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] In terms of hobbies, I'll tell you how whacked out I actually am.... [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] ... If given the choice of: "Going to play golf at Pebble Beach; or stay home and mount an alternator in place of the generator on my recently-acquired 1948 Case tractor"; it would be the tractor. [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] Somehow, I forgot to learn how to play as hard as I work; [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] but in defense I have to add that the condition does seem to be OK for me; it hasn't brought on any negative health issues or caused me to become a recluse. [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] It IS hard to resist posting, [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] and since I'm kind of an "alternate sleeper"; good one night and not-so-good the next; the compooter is a way to spend the awake time; especially when it's five below out there and the wind is blowing. [img]/forums/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]
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    Andrew, That Should be Turing test. Oh by the way, it isn't polite to make fun of Eliza and any other of her kind just because they don't fog a mirror.

    Apparently a defacto Turing test has been administered, and passed, since there is speculation with no certaintude regarding the related factors.

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    Andrew, now you're getting into the quandary of whether Artificial Intelligence is truly "thinking", or merely a programmed response, albeit quite complex.

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    Ah, the eternal question about silicon vs. meat intelligence. I guess I believe that some day, there will an artificial intelligence at least as smart as a human. As far as programming goes, weren't we all 'programmed' by our parents and society on an OS written by God?

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    JazzDad, Does a response achieved by programing, however complex, indicate intelligence or sentience? Is intelligence not the result of programing, in either machines or people? Where and how do you draw the line?

    Alan Turing, considered the father of modern computer science, proposed the famous "Turing test" in which a human judge carries on a natural language conversation (text entry and output is acceptable) in the blind with two entities, one human and one machine. If the judge cannot reliably discern which is the human and which is the machine then the machine is judged to be sentient.

    You may quible about any number of personal conceptions but the universe of computer science and many other disciplines embraces the Turing test as proposed.

    Whether you accept the Turing test, as is, or you draw a "line in the sand" at a different location than Alan Turing did, at some point you have to pick a set of criteria that, if met, indicates sentience and then accept the result when achieved. It isn't responsible science to keep changing the rules because you don't like the outcome.

    There is the argument of the beard. If I have one long hair on my chin we might agree it doesn't constitute a beard. OK, how about 2, 10, 100, 1000? At some point most reasonable men would agree I had a beard. Whatever the criteria, at some point reasonable men would agree that a machine displayinig certain capabilities was sentient. Computer scientists and artificial intelligence researchers (not neccessarily the same thing) fairly universally accept the Turing test as that criterion.

    What is human thought if not the result of quite complex programing?

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    [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] What about the bred-in ability....or lack of ability.....to be programmed? How does the Turing Test adjust for those kinds of differences in humans? How about a very intelligent individual who is simply not sentient? Who goes their own way regardless of how much input they receive? I suppose the question might be: "Are all smart people trainable?" [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]
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