I THOUGHT THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD MIGHT LIKE TO VIEW ONE OF MY BOARDS.I HAVE A LIST OF PROS AND CONS FOR A LOT OF THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS.I`M SURPRISED I DON`T SEE A LOT OF INFO HERE ON THESE SYSTEMS.HERE IS THE LINK.
NOTE THAT THIS BOARD ISN`T OPEN TO MEMBERS OTHER THAN EXPERTS IN THE VARIOUS FIELDS.ALSO NOTE THAT UNDER THE LINKS THERE ARE SEVERAL LINKS TO INSTRUCTIONS IN BUILDING THESE SYSTEMS[EITHER ONLINE EBOOKS OR OTHER INSTRUCTIONAL INFO]
CORDWOODGUY
PS:I USE UPPERCASE LETTERS DUE TO A VISUAL DISABILITY.SORRY!
I have often wondered where the Experts got their knowledge fom! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Cause if one followed the Expert path back surely you should arrive at a person who has no teacher! [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
EGON.........REMEMBER NOW I`M ONLY A LIFETIME STUDENT OF CORDWOOD ON A CONTINUOUS LEARNING CURVE.BUT I CAN TRACE MY TRAINING,PRINCIPLES,PRACTICES AND METHODS BACK TO ITS FIRST WRITEN RECORD 10 BC.THERE ARE LOG CABINS THAT ARE DATED BACK TO 13,000-18,000 YEARS OLD.THE SYSTEMS WERE HANDED DOWN FROM FATHER TO SON.THE SAME TRADITIONAL METHODS ARE STILL IN USE.NOW IF THATS NOT TRIED AND TRUE WHAT IS?
THE GUY I`M QUOTING ABOVE WROTE A BOOK ON ARCHITECTURE[HIS NAME ESCAPES ME NOW...VITRAVIOUS???] HE USED DRIED BLOOD TO MAKE AIR ENTRAINED CONCRETE BACK THEN.A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL METHODS HAVE BEEN JUST UP DATED WITH NEWER PRODUCTS.IE:FIBRE MESH AN ADDITIVE TO CONCRETE AND MORTAR REPLACES HOGS BRISTLES/HORSE HAIR/HUMAN HAIR ETC.
MY METHODS ARE IN USE BY LOGGERS, PROFESSIONAL LOG BUILDERS,LUMBER MILLS AND SUPPORTED BY FOREST RESEARCH SCIENTISTS.THE PEOPLE I CALL EXPERTS.
THE SO CALLED CORDWOOD EXPERTS....BUILD ON THE GROUND,DON`T TREAT THEIR WOOD,DON`T FELL IT OR SEASON IT PROPERLY,INSULATE IT INCORRECTLY,ATTACH THE ROOF DANGEROUSLY ETC.IF I FOLLOWED THEIR ADVICE AND PROMOTED THEIR METHOD I THINK MY TITLE SHOULD BE "IDIOT" NOT EXPERT.EVEN THE WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT ON CORDWOOD IS FULL OF MISTAKES AND MYTHS.I`M WRITING A CORDWOOD PAGE ON APPROPEDIA NOW SINCE WIKIPEDIA WILL NOT RETRACT THINGS ON THEIR SITE ABOUT 1,000 YEAR OLD CORDWOOD STRUCTURES THAT DON`T EXIST.
Yeh?? But who taught the first fellow?? [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
Cause if it takes an expert the first fellow must also be an expert must he not? [img]/forums/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]
Heck, most off us are quite familiar with cow dung, lime, straw, willow wattle and a little clay. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] And maybe add some cows milk for the finishing toouches. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Check a little farther and and you may find the building technicques of the inhabitants living in the grip of a Siberian winter may be a little different than the scribed log hut. Seems they may have need all the warmth they could get without cold air leaks!
Then we should also have to ask when is a log a log?? [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Now if the first fellow is an expert why can't I be an expert?? [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Egon, do you reckon we're being kidded by a troll named CORDWOODGUY? [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
First he tells everyone how to build a log cabin and where their "opinions" are wrong, stating his own opinions as "fact".
He tells us the log cabin home builders association won't allow him to post because he's a proponent of the cadillac of log cabin building systems. How many professional associations do you know of which won't allow someone to post because they know more than the members of association?
He admits knowing that using all caps to post is inconsiderate, but claims to have a valid reason.
Next he tells us his discussion board isn't open to other than "experts", and he apparently defines "experts" as those "recognized" in their field.
Then he refers to someone who disagreed with him as being an "idiot".
He says others can add pros and cons through him, after he verifies their information. In other words, only if you don't disagree with him?
He says he doesn't call himself an expert, but a life time student. And again he says if he followed the advice of the "so called cordwood experts" his title should be "idiot".
So he says he's not an expert but knows more than they do.
Then he says utility companies give away the poles and make you sign a waiver because of their toxicity. That may be in some places, but in our area, you have to pay for the poles and there's no waiver. The utility company just wanted their money for the poles. And they are quite commonly used for barns.
And while he only allows the opinions of people recognized in their fields, he says he remains anonymous, reviewed all the books of the experts and points out their flaws/mistakes/misinformation. How many people put any stock in anything an "anonymous" person says.
I think we all know that most "know-it-alls" turn out to know a lot less than they thought they did. And those who really do know a lot don't have to hide their identity and/or fear others' opinions.
So I think CORDWOODGUY is simply pulling our leg and playing a joke on us. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
That could easily be Bird. Me, it's not to hard to "pull the wool" over my myopic eyes! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
He even purports to being a Cape Bretoner! [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
EGON..........THE LOG HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION ISN`T REALLY AN ASSOCIATION ITS A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED OUT OF ONE SCHOOL TEACHING ONE METHOD THAT THEY TRY TO PROMOTE.KIND OF LIKE YOU AFTER TAKING
2 MARTIAL ARTS LESSONS SETTING UP EGON-RYU THEN PROCLAIMING YOURSELF A 10TH DEGREE.NO SUBSTANCE TO IT AT ALL.
THIS GROUP JUST DIDN`T WANT ME TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT CORDWOOD OR EXPLAINING THE INTRACACIES OF SCANDINAVIAN SCRIBE FIT.I BELIEVE I WAS BUMPED FOR REPLYING TO A CORDWOOD QUESTION.THE FACT THEY DIDN`T WANT TO REFER THE PERSON TO CORDWOOD SITES WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO PROMOTE THEIR SYSTEM.
ALTHOUGH THE INTERNATIONAL LOG BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IN BC...IS THE REAL THING AND I CAN BE A MEMBER AND I PRACTICE THEIR METHODS WHICH ARE
IMPECABLE.MOST OF THEIR MEMBERS WOULD BE SCRIBE FIT
PRACTICIONERS.I POST ON THEIR SITE QUITE FREEQUENTLY. BYE THE WAY THEY HAVE EVEN ASKED ME WHERE I GOT SOME OF MY INFO TO BEEF UP THEIR PROMOTIONAL LITERATURE.
I DID NOT REFER TO ANYONE AS AN IDIOT...BUT SOMEONE IS COMING TO MIND RIGHT NOW. I SAID IF I TOLD PEOPLE TO BUILD WITH LOGS ON THE GROUND,NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE COULD CALL ME AN IDIOT.
BYE THE WAY THOSE CORDWOOD EXPERTS HAVE SAID MOST OF WHAT I SAY IS TRUE.BUT WILL NOT MENTION WHAT THEY SAY THEY DISAGREE AND WILL NOT OPENLY DEBATE ME.ONE TRIED AND I KICKED HIS A**,EVEN THROUGH HIS LOCAL HOME BUILDING ASSOCIATION.WHEN HE TRIED TO IMPLY IT WAS A CANDIAN THING.
BIRD....TAKE THE HINT APPARENTLY YOU DIDN`1T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME AND LOOK INTO WHAT I SAY ABOUT UTILITY POLES.IF YOU CAN`T BURN THEM LEGALLY.TAKE THEM TO A LAND FILL OR BURY THEM.HAVING A POWER POLE IN YARD WITH A CHILD,PUT THE CHILD AT RISK OF GETTING CANCER 200 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN IF NO POLE.THE FACT THAT SOME ASK YOU TO SIGN A WAIVER IS A RED LIGHT.UTILITY COMPANIES UP GRADE THE TOXIC TREATMENTS OCCASSIONALLY.BYE THE WAY YOU CAN GET ALL THE TOXIC LAND AROUND SYDNEY TAR PONDS FOR FREE.BUT DON`T USE THE SLUDGE FOR ATHRITIS AS ITS PCB`S.[PEOPLE IN THE AREA DID THIS FOR YEARS.]
BIRD......" HE NEXT TELLS US HIS DISCUSSION BOARD ISN`T OPEN TO ANYONE OTHER THAN EXPERTS AND HE DEFINES EXPERTS AS THOSE RECOGNIZED IN THEIR FIELD."
MY REPLY...IS WHATS YOUR POINT! SOUNDS GOOD TO EVERYONE ELSE.YOU APPARENTLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RECOGNIZED EXPERTS!!!
HE SAID IF PEOPLE DON`T AGREE WITH ME THEY ARE IDIOTS.I DIDN`T SAY THAT ,BUT I SAID IF I WAS TO TELL PEOPLE TO BUILD A LOG STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE WOULD CALL ME AN IDIOT AS THEY ARE IDIOTIC THINGS TO DO AND THIS IS FOUND IN THEIR BOOKS.
BIRD.... "HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT STOCK INTO ANYTHING AN ANONYMOUS PERSON SAYS." WELL GOSH BE GOLLY BIG BIRD AREN`T YOU ANONYMOUS..LOL!I THINK YOUR 1559 POSTS SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO THEN.HERE I`LL GIVE CORDWOODGUY A NAME JOHN MACINTYRE DOES THAT MAKE IT OK?...LOL!BUT I`M THE MODERATOR/OWNER OF THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE ON THE NET.MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT MY COMPETITION.ONE JUST FINISHED HIS HOUSE BUT HAS BEEN GIVING ADVICE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.THE OTHER ONE HASN`T BUILT ONE YET...LOL!
WELL MY FRIEND BEING ANONYMOUS HELPS ME BE MORE HONEST IN MY OPINIONS.PERHAPS MORE CAUSTIC AT TIMES BUT THOUSAND YEAR OLD PROVEN METHODS AND SCIENTIFIC DATA CAN EVEN MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.AT LEAST TWO OF MY PEERS KNOW ME AND I DON`T WANT THEM TO KNOW WHO I AM.WHISLEBLOWERS DO PEOPLE A FAVOR...UNTIL I STARTED POSTING YOU COULDN`T FIND ANY FLAWS WITH CORDWOOD.I MENTIONED THE AIR/WATER PENETRATION OF THE WALLS.THE ROT FOUND IN MANY CORDWOOD HOMES BUILT BY THE BOOKS.THE LACK OF R-VALUE IN SOME OF THE EARLY HOMES.THAT NO 1,000 YEAR OLD CORDWOOD STRUCTURES EXIST AS FOUND IN THE BOOKS.
EGON.......THE TRICK THAT PEOPLE DID BACK IN PIONEER DAYS WAS TO BOIL A FEW POTS OF WATER IN THE WINTER.THE STEAM WOULD SEEP OUT THROUGH THE CRACKS THEY DIDN`T STUFF WITH MOSS.AFTER AWHILE IT WOULD ICE UP AND FILL THE AIR LEAK.THEN IN THE SPRING IT WOULD MELT OPEN.BUT IT KEPT THE HOUSE AIR TIGHT AND WARMER THROUGH THE WINTER.BUT I`M SURE THEY DIDN`T TRY TO OVERHEAT EITHER.
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