ALTERNATIVE BUILDINGS PROS AND CONS

[egon]

Heck, I have no qualms about calling myself an Expert; on being ignorant that is! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Pat]

Egon, everyone is ignorant, just often on different topics. No one is expert on everything.

I am certainly ignorant on many topics. Being ignorant on some topics is the normal state of affairs and it is not a bad thing. Ignorance can be cured with training, education, and or experience. Stupidity, however, is incurable. Luckily we aren't stupid.

Pat

[CORDWOODGUY]

EGON.......THE TRICK THAT PEOPLE DID BACK IN PIONEER DAYS WAS TO BOIL A FEW POTS OF WATER IN THE WINTER.THE STEAM WOULD SEEP OUT THROUGH THE CRACKS THEY DIDN`T STUFF WITH MOSS.AFTER AWHILE IT WOULD ICE UP AND FILL THE AIR LEAK.THEN IN THE SPRING IT WOULD MELT OPEN.BUT IT KEPT THE HOUSE AIR TIGHT AND WARMER THROUGH THE WINTER.BUT I`M SURE THEY DIDN`T TRY TO OVERHEAT EITHER.

CORDWOODGUY

[egon]

Would that not happen naturally? Isn't that why tents are vented so they don't ice up in the wintertime?

Egon [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[CORDWOODGUY]

EGON..........THE LOG HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION ISN`T REALLY AN ASSOCIATION ITS A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED OUT OF ONE SCHOOL TEACHING ONE METHOD THAT THEY TRY TO PROMOTE.KIND OF LIKE YOU AFTER TAKING
2 MARTIAL ARTS LESSONS SETTING UP EGON-RYU THEN PROCLAIMING YOURSELF A 10TH DEGREE.NO SUBSTANCE TO IT AT ALL.
THIS GROUP JUST DIDN`T WANT ME TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT CORDWOOD OR EXPLAINING THE INTRACACIES OF SCANDINAVIAN SCRIBE FIT.I BELIEVE I WAS BUMPED FOR REPLYING TO A CORDWOOD QUESTION.THE FACT THEY DIDN`T WANT TO REFER THE PERSON TO CORDWOOD SITES WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO PROMOTE THEIR SYSTEM.
ALTHOUGH THE INTERNATIONAL LOG BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IN BC...IS THE REAL THING AND I CAN BE A MEMBER AND I PRACTICE THEIR METHODS WHICH ARE
IMPECABLE.MOST OF THEIR MEMBERS WOULD BE SCRIBE FIT
PRACTICIONERS.I POST ON THEIR SITE QUITE FREEQUENTLY. BYE THE WAY THEY HAVE EVEN ASKED ME WHERE I GOT SOME OF MY INFO TO BEEF UP THEIR PROMOTIONAL LITERATURE.
I DID NOT REFER TO ANYONE AS AN IDIOT...BUT SOMEONE IS COMING TO MIND RIGHT NOW. I SAID IF I TOLD PEOPLE TO BUILD WITH LOGS ON THE GROUND,NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE COULD CALL ME AN IDIOT.
BYE THE WAY THOSE CORDWOOD EXPERTS HAVE SAID MOST OF WHAT I SAY IS TRUE.BUT WILL NOT MENTION WHAT THEY SAY THEY DISAGREE AND WILL NOT OPENLY DEBATE ME.ONE TRIED AND I KICKED HIS A**,EVEN THROUGH HIS LOCAL HOME BUILDING ASSOCIATION.WHEN HE TRIED TO IMPLY IT WAS A CANDIAN THING.
BIRD....TAKE THE HINT APPARENTLY YOU DIDN`1T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME AND LOOK INTO WHAT I SAY ABOUT UTILITY POLES.IF YOU CAN`T BURN THEM LEGALLY.TAKE THEM TO A LAND FILL OR BURY THEM.HAVING A POWER POLE IN YARD WITH A CHILD,PUT THE CHILD AT RISK OF GETTING CANCER 200 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN IF NO POLE.THE FACT THAT SOME ASK YOU TO SIGN A WAIVER IS A RED LIGHT.UTILITY COMPANIES UP GRADE THE TOXIC TREATMENTS OCCASSIONALLY.BYE THE WAY YOU CAN GET ALL THE TOXIC LAND AROUND SYDNEY TAR PONDS FOR FREE.BUT DON`T USE THE SLUDGE FOR ATHRITIS AS ITS PCB`S.[PEOPLE IN THE AREA DID THIS FOR YEARS.]
BIRD......" HE NEXT TELLS US HIS DISCUSSION BOARD ISN`T OPEN TO ANYONE OTHER THAN EXPERTS AND HE DEFINES EXPERTS AS THOSE RECOGNIZED IN THEIR FIELD."
MY REPLY...IS WHATS YOUR POINT! SOUNDS GOOD TO EVERYONE ELSE.YOU APPARENTLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RECOGNIZED EXPERTS!!!
HE SAID IF PEOPLE DON`T AGREE WITH ME THEY ARE IDIOTS.I DIDN`T SAY THAT ,BUT I SAID IF I WAS TO TELL PEOPLE TO BUILD A LOG STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND NOT TREAT THE WOOD THEN PEOPLE WOULD CALL ME AN IDIOT AS THEY ARE IDIOTIC THINGS TO DO AND THIS IS FOUND IN THEIR BOOKS.
BIRD.... "HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT STOCK INTO ANYTHING AN ANONYMOUS PERSON SAYS." WELL GOSH BE GOLLY BIG BIRD AREN`T YOU ANONYMOUS..LOL!I THINK YOUR 1559 POSTS SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO THEN.HERE I`LL GIVE CORDWOODGUY A NAME JOHN MACINTYRE DOES THAT MAKE IT OK?...LOL!BUT I`M THE MODERATOR/OWNER OF THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE ON THE NET.MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT MY COMPETITION.ONE JUST FINISHED HIS HOUSE BUT HAS BEEN GIVING ADVICE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.THE OTHER ONE HASN`T BUILT ONE YET...LOL!
WELL MY FRIEND BEING ANONYMOUS HELPS ME BE MORE HONEST IN MY OPINIONS.PERHAPS MORE CAUSTIC AT TIMES BUT THOUSAND YEAR OLD PROVEN METHODS AND SCIENTIFIC DATA CAN EVEN MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.AT LEAST TWO OF MY PEERS KNOW ME AND I DON`T WANT THEM TO KNOW WHO I AM.WHISLEBLOWERS DO PEOPLE A FAVOR...UNTIL I STARTED POSTING YOU COULDN`T FIND ANY FLAWS WITH CORDWOOD.I MENTIONED THE AIR/WATER PENETRATION OF THE WALLS.THE ROT FOUND IN MANY CORDWOOD HOMES BUILT BY THE BOOKS.THE LACK OF R-VALUE IN SOME OF THE EARLY HOMES.THAT NO 1,000 YEAR OLD CORDWOOD STRUCTURES EXIST AS FOUND IN THE BOOKS.



CORDWOODGUY

[CORDWOODGUY]

TROYBILT...IF ITS NEW TO YOU THAT COB WALLS CAN CRACK IF THEY HAVE A SUBSTANDARD FOUNDATION...THEN BACK TO SCHOOL FOR YOU!
NORMALLY A COB WALL IS 24"-36" WIDE.[ANYLESS NO R-VALUE] PLACING A WALL THAT CAN WEIGH OVER A TON PER LINEAL FOOT WITHOUT COUNTING ROOF AND SNOW LOADS.THIS MY FRIEND WOULD CRUSH A CONVENTIONAL STEM WALL /SLAB WITH OUT UPGRADING IT
VERY SERIOUSLY.ITS COMMON SENSE!A NO BRAINER!
BYE THE WAY MOST ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS LEAVE OUT THE CON`S OF THEIR SYSTEM AS IT HURTS BOOK SALES ETC.WELL YOU CHECKED MY BOARD BUT YOU MISSED BECKY BEE OF COB FAME.SHE REPLIES ME THROUGH E-MAILS BUT SHE COULD POST HERSELF AS SHE IS A MEMBER.I APPRECIATE HER COMING ABOARD.SHE DIDN`T HAVE A PROBLEM ABOUT THE COB WALL CON YOU SPOKE OF.

CORDWOODGUY

PS:HERE IS A BOOK BY DANIEL D. CHIRAS THAT LISTS THE PROS AND CONS OF ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS.


"THE NATURAL HOUSE:GUIDE TO HEALTH ,ENERGY, EFFICIENT,ENVIRONMENTAL HOMES.

I HATE TO GIVE A REFERENCE ON THIS BOARD . SEEING AS THIS IS ONE PERSON WRITING A BOOK ON ALL THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH HE ONCE BUILT A LOG HOUSE.CHRIST I CAN`T EVEN SPEAK ABOUT WHAT I`VE TRAINED/STUDIED AND TAUGHT FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

[CORDWOODGUY]

PAT.....IF IT CAME TO SELF PROCLAMATION AND AROGANCE I THINK YU-DA-MAN.


YOU JUST **** ON A GUY WITH 44 YEARS OF ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.THE ONLY GUY IN THE WORLD TO ACTUALLY HOLD A PROVINCIAL TEACHING LICENSE FOR CORDWOOD AND OPERATED A PRIVATE TRADE SCHOOL IN THE 70`S.PLUS I`M THE OWNER MODERATOR OF THE LARGEST CORDWOOD SITE.I`M ALSO A CONSTRUCTION SITE PROJECT MANAGER.I`D SAY I SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOICE AN OPINION ON CORDWOOD AND LOG BUILDING.
GEE PAT CAN YOU TELL ME AND ALL THE MEMBERS HERE ABOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS!


CORDWOODGUY

[CORDWOODGUY]

I`LL TAKE THIS TIME NOW TO BID FAREWELL TO THIS BOARD AND LET THE RESIDENT EXPERTS TAKE BACK THE HELM...LOL! NOW HOW DO I DELETE MY MEMBERSHIP!

CORDWOODGUY

[Bird]

Fellers, I still say he's a troll pulling our leg. I think I've met some of the most egotistical people in the world, but ain't NO HUMAN as egotistical in real life as this guy. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] Once again it's one of those situations in which we wish we were just half as smart as he thinks he is. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

[Pat]

Sorry, Cordy ,If I pushed your hot button but seriously, I reread my post and compared it to the tone set by Bird and Egon prior to my post and can only conclude you are mistaken in a major manner and could profit from rereading my post in its exact wording as well as the manner it is phrased. (Hint, be alert for humor, albeit sarcastic humor.)

I clearly claimed to NOT BE AN EXPERT! I essentially agree with posts made previously to mine which were not particularly flattering to the cause you champion but I will stay the course and am happy to let my comment stand as written as if it were the first comment.

If we can't agree to disagree in a slightly more civil manner, lets just not start a fire and try to put it out with gasoline. If the only allowable comments must agree with you or risk harsh condemnation then there will be no further posting on this thread by me until or unless you feel the need to continue fussing with me. I have nothing to prove to you for any reason, no stake whatsoever in cordwood or other fringe building methods, and plenty of other things to do that are so much more pleasant.

Oh, and I especially like being misquoted in your rush to judgment.

I especially like having someone strafe everyone else for not kowtowing to their every whim. Chill, dude. Gee, yet another case of the entire army being out of step, EXCEPT CORDY!!!

Yes we are such ingrates here and hopefully will be beneath your dignity and such a waste of your time that you will not cast your pearls before us but take your act somewhere where it can be appreciated for its true intrinsic value, wherever that might possibly be.

Pat