Jim, I didn't know it had gone downhill, sorry to hear that, but I'm not surprised it's changed, since we got there on 12/29/89 in the RV, intending to just stop for the night before going on to Tucson, but we found it interesting enough around there to stay 4 nights, and visit the historic sights and museums, etc. Stout's Cider Mill had some delicious apple pies, in addition to good cider? Aaaah, how things have changed. We were in a nice RV park with full hookups including cable TV for $8 a night. I said something to one of the locals about it looking like it had never rained there and he said I should have been there in July when the water was a foot deep in the downtown streets. It's interesting to tourists to drive along roller coaster roads in the desert, where it appears it's never rained, and seeing all the signs to not drive into water. Or a bridge over a dry creek or river with a sign "No Fishing from Bridge". [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]