I agree outdoors Joe. I knew what would happen to me when I got home if I got in trouble at school and that was definitely the deterrent I needed to just obey and do right. Basically I think the problem we're facing today is because there is very little paddling at home and as a result the schools are a disaster because the kids know they can't do anything either. I would be more apt to put my child in a public school that paddled the kids when they did wrong than in one that didn't. They need to learn to respect authority besides just their parents, too.