Bird, your memory is inline with my experiences with milkcows. As a youngster we milked 3 or 4 cows to furnish milk for the family and sold the rest to a local cheese factory. Now I have a small cow/calf operation and it seems there's always one of my cows that will allow me to milk her in the pasture. I only do it as a novelty not for the milk. BTW, Using both hands I could really play a tune on the bottom of the empty pail. To this day folks tell me I have a firm handshake, wonder why? [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]