roho627; It may be a little more than what your lookin for, but there is a program called SofPlan. It's quite expensive, around 400 bucks or more. With this you get an actual program that will show your stud, joists, rafter/truss, and anything else you can think of. It will also give you a printed materials list and window and door schedule. I always wanted it but was too cheap to buy it. The programs you're looking at are more for dreaming than building. I've got Chief Architect and anothe one from Sierra. Used them both once, then went back to pencil and paper. If someone has trouble visualizing, the previous programs mentioned can help. I guess I'm looking more at the CAD type programs, probably more than you need/want tho. Let us know what you decide and what you think [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]