Thistle; Yeah that's I mean! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Never heard it put like that before. Spike is one the rescues, actually I went up and untied him from a clothes post. He had a 6' foot lead on a 5' post. He couldn't even get to his water dish that was a good 4' away. The previous owner had took him in on trade for a rock of crack. [img]/forums/images/icons/mad.gif[/img] The older lady that lived there told us this. We told her we'd take him and give him a good life. Really it's the other way around! My wife is an RN that was visiting this lady. He may be 100% Border but it really doesn't matter. He's just a great dog, tries to herd the cats and other dogs. I didn't know that sometimes they are timid. Spike can be, but I thought it was because he may have been abused, at any rate, he was definetly neglected, but not anymore, he's by far my favorite! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]